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Illinois Delays CCW Application Deadline – Can a Wrongful Death Case Follow?

October 11, 2013 Featured, First Responders, Gun Control, Hypocrisy, Laws 15 Comments
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by Cathleen Vought

You can take a concealed carry class in Illinois now, but you can’t get your permit until April.

Originally slated  to accept January 1 applications, the state police say they’re “not ready yet” and that “The Illinois State Police originally told us (applications would be accepted) Jan. 1, now they’ve backed it up to around Jan. 10 because they’re not ready,” Ron Darnall, a gun range owner near Bloomington, stated Monday. “We understand now, instead of March, it’s going to be April before the first cards are sent out.” John Jackson, co-owner of Capital City Arms Supply in Springfield and one of over 900 instructors who have been authorized by the state police has over 200 people on a waiting list. This is one of the reasons I love living in Missouri, the whole process takes about two weeks start to finish.

In the meantime, the city council is claiming, “What we’re essentially doing is making it mandatory for establishments to exercise that right to say, ‘No guns here,'” Donal Quinlan, a spokesman for the city finance committee said. “We can’t regulate guns, but we can revoke their liquor license if they don’t exercise that right.”

In the timeless words of Hermonie from the Harry Potter series, “What an idiot.” Apparently Mr. Quinlan doesn’t understanding the difference between exercising a right and being forced to do something whether you want to or not. I’m not saying that guns and alcohol mix, I’m just saying this particular type of brilliance is why Chicago is as screwed up as it is, with 13 wounded and four killed over the weekend in a number of shootings (yeah, that gun control thing sure is working there, isn’t it). I wonder how many of those people would still be whole and here had there been a CCW carrier in the crowd. Cold comfort for their families now, isn’t it. It kind of makes me wonder if the family of someone pursuing a CCW permit can sue for wrongful death if their loved one is killed between January 1st and 10th?

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  • Mad_Gorilla

    The IL State Police are not ready for prime time on CCW permits, and have been behind the 8 ball for several years on FOID cards. Personally, I think it is by design. The powers that be in this state are anti-gun, and we wouldn’t even have CCW if the courts hadn’t forced the issue. The state will do anything it can to drag its feet, and delay implementation. Far as I’m concerned, anybody that is qualified for a FOID card should also be qualified for CCW. How many background checks have to be done anyway?

    • Graywolf12

      Watch that attitude. What do you think, this is a free country or something? Remember the politicians have to be paid for in some way so they do not have to pay taxes, and the DNC and unions must have their cut. Pay up or a conservative might get elected and screw up a sweet deal for the crooks.

    • http://www.mistymanormercers.com Eric Vought

      ” The state will do anything it can to drag its feet, and delay implementation.”

      In Missouri, there is a built-in time limit on the background check and permit issuance: if they do not process it within a specified period of time, it issues automatically. That way, official obstruction is kept in check but they can still revoke later if for some reason the background check really does take that long and comes back with a problem.

  • chamuiel

    They are delaying on purpose, of course.

  • belladonnacotton

    I say yes.

  • Art Hock

    Quinlan is just one of many idiots running Chicago so it’s not hard to understand why it is so screwed up and the rest of the state has to abide by these idiots.

  • Graywolf12

    “What we’re essentially doing is making it mandatory for establishments to exercise that right to say, ‘No guns here,’” Donal Quinlan, a spokesman for the city finance committee said. “We can’t regulate guns, but we can revoke their liquor license if they don’t exercise that right.”
    Read more at http://conservativebyte.com/2013/10/illinois-delays-ccw-application-deadline-can-wrongful-death-case-follow/#CRUzZsohYu8u93mH.99
    What an idiot. They will demand that people can not exercise their constitutional rights, because they do not like guns. I’ll bet they have armed guards. Oh, I forgot, they are so much important than the serfs in their city.

  • Chuck S

    Hold on a second. We’re missing a critical fact. This is the law. Again, we have politicians and faceless bureaucracies “delaying” implementation of laws. When did that become legal or permissable? “It’s the law…but we’ll get around to it…when we are ready…and if we agree with it”? What the hell has happened to our system? More importantly, why isn’t there a lawsuit pending for failing to follow the law?

    And yes, I recognize that the chief offender in the laws-as-suggestions circus is our President, and that he hails from Chicago, Illinois.

    • Ted Crawford

      Governor Moron and his Idiot Quislings at their best! This, my fellow Americans, is the environment that spawned Obama himself! Get it yet?!?!

  • Randy131

    “What we’re essentially doing is making it mandatory for establishments to exercise that right to say, ‘No guns here,’” Donal Quinlan, a spokesman for the city finance committee said. “We can’t regulate guns, but we can revoke their liquor license if they don’t exercise that right.”

    So what Donal Quinlan is saying, if those who hold liquor licenses don’t violate people’s 2nd Amendment right, they will take away their liquor license, but for what regulated infraction does he have the right to do that? Seems to me that he is not only going against the CCW law, but putting people’s lives at risk by denying a means for them to protect themselves, and capriciously denying liquor license holders their right to sell liquor, simply because they refuse to not violate the 2nd Amendment and the CCW law, and by doing so is not violating any regulations for their right to hold a liquor license. Looks like more law suits coming up soon. But I know one thing, these gun grabbers are really fearing that when the CCW law is fully implemented, it will reduce gun crimes, gun violence, and gun murders, like it has everywhere it has been implemented, and will make the previous tremendously high death rate, the fault of these gun grabbers and 2nd Amendment violators, who have restricted the ownership and carrying of guns for the protection of the common man.

    • http://www.mistymanormercers.com Eric Vought

      “So what Donal Quinlan is saying, if those who hold liquor licenses don’t violate people’s 2nd Amendment right, they will take away their liquor license, but for what regulated infraction does he have the right to do that?”

      Agreed. I believe very strongly in an establishment’s right to deny firearms if they choose to do so (as almost all of the bars here do), even if I think they are absolutely wrong, but the idea of using liquor licenses to force the owner’s hand is exactly the type of corruption people fear when licenses and registrations for anything are discussed. Our egg license is initially denied every year because the same municipality claims that we owe sales taxes even though we have not sold a thing there in quite a few years (and never eggs). They keep hoping that we will give in and pay the bill (as many people doubtless do) instead of fighting it down every single year. If you require licensing for enough things, you might as well use the Constitution for toilet paper. We spend more and more energy fighting regulations enforced with the money they take from us in the first place.

  • Billca

    Okay, I get it. They’re passing a new ordinance that attaches a NEW requirement to liquor licenses of city businesses. That requirement prohibits liquor-selling businesses from NOT posting a “no guns” sign. So that means a CCW can’t enter most restaurants, liquor stores, grocery stores that sell liquor, convenience stores, gas-station mini-marts who sell liquor, sports venues, night clubs, certain festivals and probably a few I’ve missed.

    Unless you are not permitted on “property” that sells liquor (as opposed to actually being inside or at the liquor sales location) that still leaves lots open. Shopping malls – if you stay out of liquor-serving restaurants – clothing, shoe, furniture, book and appliance stores and hundreds of other retailers.

    However, paraphrasing Quinlan, “We’ll PUNISH people for not exercising their legal right (to post no-guns signs).” And here I thought a legal right need not be exercised unless it was the desire of the holder of the right, not The State. Will they add this condition to every business license in the city? If so, then they create a situation where people doing business in Chicago must leave weapons in their cars to enter a business. This will likely result in a spike in auto-burglaries as thugs search for weapons to steal.

    I say we quit being civil and use Quinlan’s words against him. We should DEMAND a federal investigation & prosecution of the entire city council for conspiracy to violate civil rights under color of law.

    • Rod Farrace

      The problem with a federal investigation is that Obama will be in charge of it. They should have one of the Free state like Idaho (where I live) to investigate. It probably wouldn’t be legal though. The federal government so corrupt.

    • Cathleen Vought

      Yes, this is about as brilliant as the change in rules on my (college) campus that went from “No firearms” to “CCW holders can carry on campus, but not in buildings”. Who the heck goes to a college campus and DOESN’T go in a building? I’m working on a post for this down the road . . . .

  • Ted Crawford

    These Quislings are angry because they can’t pass the background checks! “If I can’t do it, nobody can”! This is the cesspool that Obama crawled out of !

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